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Get Upgrade+. More content, no ads.#616: Outmoded But Not Vintage
May 18th, 2026 · 109 minutes
Stephen Hackett joins Jason to talk old Macs, binned chips, and Apple AI. Then Jason discusses the darkest part of Steve Jobs's career with the author of "Steve Jobs In Exile", Geoffrey Cain.
Guest Starring: Geoffrey Cain and Stephen Hackett
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